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Beethoven: The Symphonies
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Beethoven, L. Van: Symphonies Nos. 1-9
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- Package Dimensions : 5.28 x 5.2 x 0.63 inches; 7.04 ounces
- Manufacturer : Bis
- Date First Available : September 26, 2009
- Label : Bis
- ASIN : B002QEXN6Q
- Number of discs : 5
- Best Sellers Rank: #388,908 in CDs & Vinyl (See Top 100 in CDs & Vinyl)
- #12,347 in Symphonies (CDs & Vinyl)
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Customers praise the sound quality of this Beethoven symphony recording, with one noting its excellent instrumental sound separation and reproduction. The orchestra receives positive feedback, with one customer highlighting its modern performance style, and another describing it as a complete WOW experience. Customers find the recording beautiful, with one review specifically mentioning the Pastoral Symphony's uncommon beauty.
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Customers praise the sound quality of the album, describing it as excellent, with one customer specifically noting good instrumental sound separation and reproduction.
"...The drama and energy of the performances, combined with the superior sound quality, leave all the top critical picks for Beethoven's 5th and other..." Read more
"...Beethoven symphony cycles with state-of-the-art performances and recording quality from two very different schools of Beethoven interpretation,..." Read more
"Sound quality is excellent and the playing/conducting of Vänskä and the Minnesota Orchestra is stellar (as they were with Sibelius)...." Read more
"It's Beethoven, so the music is great...." Read more
Customers praise the orchestra's performance of Beethoven's symphonies, with one customer highlighting its modern interpretation and another noting its natural sound quality.
"...classical music, and want an excellent, energetic, modern performance of Beethoven's symphonies, with excellent sound quality, then this is where to..." Read more
"Osmo Vanska leads the Minnesota Orchestra in a superb, sleek, HIPster Beethoven cycle, a great example of what can be done with the latest trend in..." Read more
"It's Beethoven, so the music is great. We have a very nicely recorded orchestra, and the dimension and placing works very well in the surround..." Read more
"...The Beethoven and the Sibelius works are a credit to a wonderful orchestra and a sensitive. inspiring and insightful conductor (Finnish too)." Read more
Customers appreciate the beauty of the symphonies, with one review highlighting the Pastoral Symphony's uncommon beauty and another noting its colorful performance.
"...finest performances of the Funeral March ever recorded', 'a Pastoral of uncommon beauty', 'an Eighth of reference quality' and a Ninth to 'rank..." Read more
"Osmo Vanska leads the Minnesota Orchestra in a superb, sleek, HIPster Beethoven cycle, a great example of what can be done with the latest trend in..." Read more
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- Reviewed in the United States on August 22, 2010First a little background: I'm not a classical music expert- I grew up on rock and roll and now that I'm getting older I decided to expand my classical music horizons. I have around 30 classical music CDs, maybe more, but consider myself very much a classical music newcomer. I bought my "NPR Guide to Building a Classical Music Collection"The NPR Guide to Building a Classical CD Collection : The 350 Essential Works and so it began.
Of course in exploring classical music it doesn't take long before you begin listening to Beethoven. So, going from the prevailing authority, it was either Kleiber or Karajan- perhaps Toscanini, Szell or Furtwängler or Bernstein, depending on the symphony. I went with Kleiber and bought Beethoven Symphonies 5 & 7 in SACD. Listened to it a couple times, then again, but could not discover what made this recording so great, frankly.
First, classical music- and symphonies in particular it seems to me- suffer most from poor sound quality. Recordings, even re-mastered in SACD, suffer the same fate as all music recorded in the 70s or earlier- the sound quality is muddy and lacking in detail, crispness and definition. There is no such thing- and never will be unfortunately- as high definition music recorded more than 20 years ago. That great classical performance recordings suffer from poor sound quality is nothing new, and is why there are more classical re-masterings than any other music genre. But, the remastering is always based on the original muddy recording that probably only captured about 75% of the sound anyway. The remastering into SACD or other forms simply helps remove some of the muddiness, but thats about it. It can't bring back what was lost in the original recording, no matter how state-of-the-art the recording equipment was back then, or how good the re-mastering equipment is today. I think the inferior sound quality isn't as noticable (its still there of course) in some other classical works- Rubenstein's Chopin works on the Living Stereo SACDs have pretty good sound quality, for example- not to mention excellent performances.
OK, the recording sound quality is not Kleiber's fault, nor the Vienna Philharmonic's. Not even the recording engineer's- they did the best with what they had. But to my ears, Kleiber's 5th performance lacks energy and vitality. Combined with the muddy sound quality (even in SACD) the recording seems very lackluster. Now, to any respected classical music authority, these comments are a heresy and obviously demonstrate I don't know what I'm talking about. But I make them not only because I believe them, but because I believe there are a lot of people out there who might like to get into classical music and perhaps have started as I did but basically dropped it thinking, "if this is the best out there, then I guess I don't like classical music that much." Of course there are other versions out there- Bernstein's is more appealing to younger ears I think, and Furtwangler's seems like it could be appealing, but a 40s recording in mono, no matter how well it's remastered, ain't gonna sound too great. If you were there for the performance, it may have been the best ever. But if you weren't, the recording is a dim reflection of the event. It is these types performances that, while critically outstanding, the sound quality is poor, and, in some cases, seem rather lacking in energy and vitality. Some argue there is more emotion in Kleiber's or other recordings than Vanska's, but I didn't find this to be the case. You can have a fast tempo that still lacks energy, or a slow one that is riviting with vitality. But I think modern ears prefer the energetic, dramatic performances that some of the most critically acclaimed lack- in some cases due to performance but also because it was lost in muddy sound quality. These recordings leave many classical newcomers heading for the exits, continuing the long decline of the classical music world audience.
Which brings me to Osmo Vanska and the Minnesota Orchestra's cycle of Beethoven Symphonies. I think if you are just getting into classical music, and want an excellent, energetic, modern performance of Beethoven's symphonies, with excellent sound quality, then this is where to start. The drama and energy of the performances, combined with the superior sound quality, leave all the top critical picks for Beethoven's 5th and other symphonies lacking. Period. I never thought Beethoven could sound this good. Forget the prevailing authorities, these are comments on a by-gone era of classical music that doesn't listen so well to younger, more modern audiences. This is unfair for many excellent performances- particularly where sound quality is the chief distraction- but it remains true that poor sound quality can- and does- reduce listening pleasure. If you like listening to classical music symphonies with all the instrumental detail, depth and definition of sound, you will always be somewhat disappointed with older recordings, no matter how many times they have been remastered. Listen to the Kleiber recording right after Vanska, and you'll know what I mean. Perhaps you will find more emotion, but more likely a poorer recording.
I hope Vanska's modern, energetic, performances and superior sound quality will be repeated in other great classical works that help bring in new listeners to classical music and help stem the tide of decline. In that sense, it is just what the classical music world needs. I also hope classical music recordings in (lossless) Dolby True HD become the norm and Vanska's performances can be released in that format as well in the future. If you've heard a musical recording in Dolby True HD, it IS being there- its that good.
Some reviews...
The very first installment, released in December 2004, caused the reviewer in International Record Review to state that "Vanska's Beethoven looks set to be a front-runner among the historically unprejudiced cycles now available." After that each new release in Osmo Vanska's cycle of Beethoven's symphonies with the Minnesota Orchestra has been treated as an occasion in the international music press; reviewers one by one discovering 'one of the finest performances of the Funeral March ever recorded', 'a Pastoral of uncommon beauty', 'an Eighth of reference quality' and a Ninth to 'rank alongside the finest of any era'. The fifth and final disc - with a 'Seventh that just may top them all' according to one review - was released in 2008, and caused reviewers to start doing their sums. Among representative comments are the following: 'a Beethoven cycle that stands with Barenboim's as a modern reference edition' ([...]), 'a Beethoven reforged for today's world' (Gramophone), and 'a magnificent traversal that seems very much of and for our time' (American Record Guide).
A constantly praised feature of the series has been the sound quality, in both stereo and surround sound formats. About the first disc the reviewer on website [...] remarked that 'one can hardly hope to hear such a many-layered sound until the next BIS release of Beethoven's Symphonies - except for in concert', while his colleague on [...] described the final installment as having 'brilliantly engineered, utterly natural sonics in all formats'. The review in Fanfare sums it up: 'Vanska's is the preferred SACD traversal, and one of the most desirable in any format.' Some of the greatest music ever, in electrifying performances and state-of-the-art recordings, is now available as a boxed set in full SACD / Surround Sound glory. It includes comprehensive liner notes by Beethoven expert Barry Cooper.
For more extensive and authoritative comments on the performances, I also recommend the review of this product titled, The Best of Our Time? Definitely Outstanding, January 29, 2010 By T. Carlsen, for excerpts of reviews from those how know more about classical music than I'll ever know, and give some credibility to this little known conductor and orchestra for the excellent, modern performance and recording of Beethoven's symphonies.
- Reviewed in the United States on August 11, 2011Osmo Vanska leads the Minnesota Orchestra in a superb, sleek, HIPster Beethoven cycle, a great example of what can be done with the latest trend in Beethoven interpretation.
Is this "the best Beethoven cycle ever"? No, don't throw out your Furtwangler, or your other great traditional cycles. This is something different. There are those who have only one standard, and view this as "Beethoven lite" compared to those great old-school performances. It is indeed light as opposed to heavy, fleet as opposed to grand, Classical as opposed to Romantic, post-heroic as opposed to heroic. (Some like to think that "historically informed performance" means recreating the early 19th century, but in reality it is a new style, a product of its late 20th/early 21st century times.)
As many others have noted, the conductor and orchestra are magnificent, precise, and fantastically well recorded. I think the 9th in particular is one of the all-time greats (see my review), with an invigoratingly fast second movement and a spectacular final vocal movement. Beyond that, the entire cycle is compelling, with a common vision and sound throughout. Vanska does not deploy period instruments, but does use some period techniques such as minimizing vibrato. Unfortunately the liner notes are only about Beethoven and tell the listener nothing about the particulars of Vanska and Minnesota's performances.
I would recommend Vanska and Barenboim with the Staatskapelle Berlin (see my review) as two complementary Beethoven symphony cycles with state-of-the-art performances and recording quality from two very different schools of Beethoven interpretation, Barenboim's the traditional, Romantic, heroic style and Vanska's the new HIP-influenced post-heroic style. Comparing the times throughout, Vanska consistently takes nearly every movement faster than Barenboim -- not so much faster that it sounds wrong, just fast enough to make it sound sleeker and more classical, a Mozartian Beethoven as opposed to a Brucknerian Beethoven.
- Reviewed in the United States on February 23, 2018Sound quality is excellent and the playing/conducting of Vänskä and the Minnesota Orchestra is stellar (as they were with Sibelius). The Seventh was beautiful, with the end of the second movement more restrained than I prefer, but I can appreciate being able to hear some of the softer playing that is usually drowned out in the more intense endings (think Thielemann, one of my favorites). I couldn’t disagree with one of the reviewers more about it lacking soul and any human emotion. Of the modern recordings this is one of the best. And of my 12 sets, this is in the Top 5.
- Reviewed in the United States on February 4, 2020It's Beethoven, so the music is great. We have a very nicely recorded orchestra, and the dimension and placing works very well in the surround field.
If you like classical music and you like surround music, it is hard to see why you wouldn't be putting this in your cart
- Reviewed in the United States on September 12, 201409/12/14. Excellent recordings - great frequency range and bass clarity. I first heard the Beethoven 4th Symphony by Osmo Vanska and the Minnesota Orchestra on WETA radio (Washington, D.C.) and was so impressed that I bought the entire set available on amazon.com. It included the same recording I heard on WETA. I have other productions of Beethoven symphonies, but nothing this spectacular in recording quality and instrumental sound separation and reproduction. Very good choice and I look forward to many hours of enjoyment over the years to come.
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Luke SkywalkerReviewed in Germany on January 30, 2012
5.0 out of 5 stars Toller Beethoven aus wo? Minnesota?
Gleich mehrere Klassik Freunde haben mir gerade diese Gesamtaufnahme der Beethoven Sinfonien empfohlen. Ich war skeptisch.
Ich habe schon um die 25 Gesamtaufnahmen. Und jetzt noch eine...?
Ich habe im Internet erstmal "Minnesota" gegoogelt und geschaut, wo in den USA das genau liegt. Hoch im Norden fast genau in der Mitte, an der Grenze zu Kanada. Bisher hatte ich fest geglaubt, dass es dort nur einen Haufen Wald, Highways, Schnee und viele wilde Bären gibt. Weit gefehlt!
Hier gibt es das Minnesota Orchestra, dass hoch interessante, durchhörbare, durchsichtige und packende Beethoven Interpretationen liefert! Tolle Aufnahmetechnik, klasse Dynamik. Jede der Sinfonien klingt fast neu gehört, hochinteressante Details scheinen auf und klingen absolut plausibel erzählt! Und ich höre fast nur Klassik, gehe viel ins Konzert und würde meine Ohren als verwöhnt bezeichnen.
Meine unangefochtene Lieblings- und Referenzaufnahme der Beethoven Sinfonien ist noch immer die mit dem NDR Sinfonieorchester Hamburg unter Günter Wand. Es ist und bleibt eine Jahrhundertaufnahme!
Daneben gibt es nun zwei besonders geliebte Gesamtaufnahmen: die mit dem Gewandhausorchester Leipzig unter Franz Konwitschny. Klingen noch immer wie gestern aufgenommen und sind "aus einem Guss". Und eben diese mit dem Minnesota Orchestra unter Osmo Vänskä! 5 volle Sterne und keinen weniger... ;-))
- LFReviewed in Singapore on December 8, 2022
5.0 out of 5 stars Seller was prompt in delivery
Shipment was from Japan and I received it in good packing and condition within about a week or so. Happy with the purchase.
- Jim BrockReviewed in Canada on August 11, 2014
5.0 out of 5 stars Five Stars
Great SACD sound. And it's Beethoven.
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Amazon CustomerReviewed in France on May 15, 2016
5.0 out of 5 stars Truc de fou !
je ne parlerai ici que de la 9ème, celle que j'écoute , que je connais depuis l'age de 8 ans, j'en ai + de 50 aujourd'hui.
Alors , effectivement, la 1ère écoute peut étonner. On peut penser que ce chef a pris de grandes libertés avec l'œuvre de Beethoven, mais pourquoi pas, après tout. Et c'est au bout de 3 ou 4 écoutes que cet enregistrement m'a conquit plus que les autres !
Même si comparaison n'est pas raison, je vais tenter d'expliquer pourquoi :
Déjà , la technologie utilisée pour l'enregistrement n'a rien a voir avec les autres enregistrements antérieurs connus comme par exemple celui de Furtwangler en mono ...et entendre les instruments, TOUS les instruments, derrière les cœurs du 4ème mouvement est une chose absolument surprenante.
Enfin vient la subtilité du chef et des musiciens, chose dont (SELON MOI) est absolument incapable Karajan qui excelle surtout avec Wagner, ou en bucheron à couper du bois au Canada , lors d'hivers rigoureux ^^.
Le seul bémol s'il y en a un est, pour moi (la musique n'est QUE subjectivité :) ) l'interprétation du tenor Daniel Norman : il chante bien , mais n'est pas à la hauteur que l'œuvre mérite.
Bref, essayez au moins une fois d'écouter cette interprétation ( ces violons à la 11ème minute du dernier mouvement... UNE TUERIE !!).
- Mike HorganReviewed in the United Kingdom on December 13, 2019
5.0 out of 5 stars Beethoven to be enjoyed
I find that Beethoven is easy to admire but less easy to like. This recording is an accurate / valid interpretation and all that. But mainly it's a joy to listen to.